But when you seriously contend that there mere fact that our Lord appeared first to women and told them to tell the men negates the creation ordinance, Deborahs curse of wimpy Barak and the clear words of the Holy Spirit on this subject through the Apostle Paul, then I suggest you have really lost touch with the will of God. Christianity is a lot harder on women and children than it is for men, the men are living like kings and gods, promoting their superiority and rule while women and children are living like trapped miserable bottom kissing slaves. And let me be clear what I mean by 100 percent submission. I had my hands up and she walks into me. Jamin was not told about the allegations made against him by [redacted] to me. I dont know if my Mom was ever spanked. I can also say , please sir may I go to bed without my nightgown and thats me asking to be intimate, Ben almost always says yes. Wheres the barf bag? As a society have always restricted what two consenting adults can do. If you only have tolerance for lines of thinking that you are happy to tolerate, then you are intolerant. Yesterdays post at ACJF, http://cryingoutforjustice.com/2015/07/03/a-typical-characteristic-of-an-abuser-he-never-stops-trying/, addresses this very phenomenon: It is not surprising that abusers are accusers. So anyway, of course God gives our husband and other authority persons who have our husbands permission to punish us. And he would sometimes spout off this genteel junk about how men should be nice to ladies. 1. No wife who has ever been spanked by her husband submitted out of fear? I think he probably smacked my bottom about 10 times (bare bottom, OTK, with his hand). If Satan can keep you in the past, he will rob you of your future. Moreover, consent is tricky in these matters for a simple reason; many will consent to a humiliating or injurious act out of fear of losing their loverbut the Biblical reality is that the person, despite their consent, has just been injured or humiliated. 1986)., Yeah, it even helps to read an interlinear every now and then and do a bit of Greek/Hebrew study. It isnt called getting hit. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. As a strong-willed person, I see submission as a form of feminine chivalry. The whole verse says: 1Cor 7:4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. And it goes on: 1Cor 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. On the other hand the very fact that you would use these laws as precedents legitimizing the outlawing of something as personal and initimate as domestic discipline proves on its own that these laws are problematic. Next Saturday, this wife was real quiet. The article talked about it being abusive to spank children up to adulthood, but why is it only abusive if it is done up to adulthood. Just chalk it up to your personal preference and call it a day. I think you should take the time to study what you want to criticize for you do not know what you are talking about (and this is not some sort of insulting rethoric, this is to be taken literally). Wacky science isnt fooling anyone, even if people are not always able to verbalize it, they feel within themselves that something is wrong and this autism makes them explode at some point.. Anderson told Jamin it was strange and very uncommon, for someone to make a statement about having someone walk into their hand hard enough to leave marks on their throat. James truly believed in But he is a wonderful, loving husband and father, a great provider and well, being in charge just suits him. What was your parents response about the spanking? You think you are just but you are what the Bible calls a mocker. A Lone Voice just proves him/herself to be another dime-a-dozen abuser. You have also obviously been influenced by kinky secular culture, such as books and films that promote S&M. You are telling 100pinkapples that she needs to take a Christian response to her abusers and to her own pain, and to see a pastor for counselling. But over it all was always this sense of control and he was the man. My wedding vows included a vow to obey and he would often remind me that God commanded wives to submit and obey their husbands as they were supposed to do towards Christ. Pat Robertson is another known figure in Christiandom who has said some shocking statements about how husbands should treat wives. Yes, guys, best leave 100PinkApples raging away because it suits your purpose better to have her stay unforgiving and bitter. Are you officially divorced now? Dark child, your nickname tells me something about your view. Especially when you factor in that they are free to leave these relationships anytime. As one who is more inclined to the pursuit of justice, which I take to be included as an aspect of righteousness, my potential reward no doubt pales in comparison to the reward awaiting Julie Anne, Serving Kids in Japan, and all the other peacemakers here. Please go and speak to a pastor in a completely different church from the one they were in (I should recommend a sister in a Pentecostal church, but thats just my personal suggestion) and I know you will get more than a sympathetic ear. Is it a Sin for a Christian Not to Live a HealthyLifestyle. So, a wife divorcing her husband unless she was independently wealthy was quite possibly a death sentence. Its gonna happen. Interesting. Maybe youve experienced a lot, maybe youve seen a lot, and this experience has lead you to be more emotional than rational and to err on the wrong side of history. So: Do you see both yourself and your partner as people who need physical discipline? For your prescription is to amputate all arms because some hands could possibly get infected at some point in the future. But intolerance is intolerance, and here you are intolerant against religious freedom. If it makes it hotter for them to mix in some faith? Do not expect her to be silent through this experience though. When it comes to being intimate its only Ben , it would be a bad sin with anyone else. Because my Jack is taking the lead. Domestic Discipline is the same sort of addictive behavior. It really is that good. his God-given authority and actually lead.. What a shame men have come along and subverted His purposes for women. It mush be nice to be self righteous dont you think. And should she submit and obey him if he asks someone else to punish her for something, including a spanking? I remember saying There is NO WAY Im going to be some mans slave and stay at home and cook and clean for him! It was not until I sat through a Bible study on the book of Ephesians that I truly understood submission. Nor, based on his presentation here, did it ever occur to me to just assume that Lone Voice is a Christian. This bullying is a means to exploitation, like most bullying. I dont know where the line is, but looking back now I think I can say that spanking even at 14 or 15 was not right and certainly not up to the age I was. its the samething a guy who punched his wife in the face would say. I can remember being a little girl (probably middle school age) and hearing someone tell me the Scripture in Ephesians that calls women to submit to their husbands. Wifes getting spanked like being spanked. So, the testimonials in THIS VERY THREAD of wives who were shamed and beaten by their husbands are false simply because you declare them so? WebBDSM provides a helpful framework for communication and safe, consensual exploration. 2010 The Thought & Expression Company, Inc. 50 Things I Want To Tell My Daughter On Her 18thBirthday, To The Mother Figures In Our Lives: You Made Us Who We AreToday, Time To Drink From Gold Chalices Love Is Blind Season 4 IsHere, Why Horror Is So Much Scarier When Its Located In A BigCity, My HIV+ Story Is One I Refuse To Be AshamedOf. Our marriage is energized. Previously I have shown Domestic Discipline to be both a Biblical concept as well as a historical practice amongst husbands for thousands of years on my Instagram page @biblicalsexandiscipline and on my blog Biblicalgenderroles.com as well as podcasts series on BGRLearning.com. WebJennas Punishment Spanking (Christian Domestic Discipline Marriage #1) During a disagreement, Jenna storms out of the house without telling her husband where she's going. Jennas Punishment Spanking (Christian Domestic Discipline Marriage #1) During a disagreement, Jenna storms out of the house without telling her husband where she's going. Why not? Doe you think she have to obey him then as well? A Lone Voice, you have major issues with women having the right to say NO to men. I can see from your posts that you have major issues with men, but please dont filter the Bible through your own experiences. If I put my wife in a french maid or indian princess outfit, am I not seeing, at least in part, a french maid or indian princess? People are lost and growing frustrated). I never heard or suspected anything growing up. Pastor then took over and showed Ben that I wouldnt break if I was spanked properly, and I got my first real spanking of my life. Professional, licensed counseling is recommended. You are, by your writing, an intelligent adult. Lone Voice said. (starting with Genesis 2:18 and 3:16 funny how many great verses in the Bible are 3:16, isnt it? The point is that whenever we are in a tough spot, I always emphasize that its whatever he decides and he knows that. States have laws restricting consent to marry a person who is already married. As far as Im concerned, it should be called assault and reported to authorities immediately. Just about to board the 2nd leg of my flight to Chicago. James truly believed in And like you, I really enjoy being described as a feministit means a ton of different things, but generally its not something I get accused of, either. For playing against human nature is playing against the pursuit of happiness, you will never deter people from seeking it. what happens if your HOH does something? Your brand of Christianity, which insists on male rulership, is just like Islam and Mormonism. I grew up in Europe and the Middle East. So if not understanding DD is not understanding justice then you are already acknowledging that DD is non-consensual. Did you even read the post? Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. They took all her her clothes off in front of everybody and then she got a spanking by the Pastor and her husband with their belts. I am amazed to see so much intolerance. I had to compose myself and return to where everyone else was knowing that they all knew what just happened. I WASNT SCARED!!!! My brothers were never spanked after the age of 13 but we girls were spanked by dad followed by an hour of corner time bare bottomed in the living room just like Mom until we got married. What a heartless bunch. Welcome to grown up land folks. But the Pastor wouldnt agree with her that her husband was being too strict. There are high security refuges for women such as your friend, and some women do indeed change their identity to make it difficult for their abusers to track them down. and going through Judges 4:9 all the way to Eph 5:23 and 1Tim 2:12). I mean, on Star Trek, Kirk listened to Spock all of the time, but Kirk was still the boss. It was just always his open hand on my bottom which made me feel like I could never tell someone else or explain it. We use the Bible in our lessons. If they divorced or left their husbands, they had no means of financial support. I thought the periods might have been missing letters for a larger word. I have already done that in my previous posts like The Biblical Case for Domestic Discipline. You think you are just but you are what the Bible calls a mocker., 1 Kings 18:27: It came about at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said, Call out with a loud voice, for he is a god; either he is occupied or gone aside, or is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and needs to be awakened., No one is tricked or trapped into that, even if you seem to have the concerning desire to save people from themselves because it just cant be right.. All of these questions and more are answered in this podcast series. Your horrible handling of the Bible does not inspire confidence in me at all. Many people even literally proceed in the manner I have just described. When I left he was convinced that it was because of my friend and being led astray and away from God. It was very difficult because it was not like I had a black eye or bruises. So let me ask you a question. If you are truly interested in learning more about that folly, there are plenty of websites and blogs and practicers on the internet. When I was growing up, it was not in a household that practiced Christian Domestic Discipline. Christian Domestic Discipline - 09-23-2011, 11:08 PM. When I see how women have been treated like objects by people who demand to have an authority position over their wives, demand obedience, demand submission, presume to be an intermediary to God. Julie Anne, like Daisy, you too are filtering the Bible through experiences as well as using a logical non-sequiter. Finally, Daisy be more Christ-like; keep your nose out of my bedroom. It took a long time for me to have the strength to leave him. Im not a Jew living in Israel in 5,000 B.C. Christian Domestic Discipline, wife spanking, Christian Patriarchy Movement, Spanking of Adult Children, Denominational Practices and teachings Two summers ago, I received a phone call from a pastor who shared his growing concern about wife-spanking in his family of churches. Feminism and egalitarianism everywhere-everytime are very new concepts. What do you pray when youre hitting your wife? This is just like disciplining kids, just discipline. Because Mark does not like them, people having this vision for their life should go to their jail? But even then, it is always amazing how Eph 5:21 always ignored. http://cryingoutforjustice.com/resources/hotlines/. It should be private. Because people are increasingly dissatisfied by the standard domestic arrangements proposed by social scientists are looking for alternative arrangements more in line with human nature. Jennas Punishment Spanking (Christian Domestic Discipline Marriage #1) During a disagreement, Jenna storms out of the house without telling her husband where she's going. Is it Fair for A Fat Christian Man to Expect His Wife to RemainFit? A question to everyone here: If a man treats his sex partner as a child he should discipline, does that make him a quasi-paedophile? Michael is worried sick over his wife's whereabouts, and he's determined to put a stop to her irresponsible behavior. And I was told that since I was acting immaturely, this was the consequence. I see only 3.5% of Americans traveled overseas in 2009 (when the study was done). Now ( standard marriage) she refused to wash the until tomorrow as a result of this and her attitude the marriage is over. When women were welcomed, for the most part, into the workforce and had independent means of support, the divorce rate skyrocketed. The professionals in DV services are trained (or should be trained!) See for yourself. The article was popular with over 600 comments. Do not strike faces or heads I agree with you also but I dont agree on what some people say about pastors Spanking other peoples wives and brothers Spanking their sisters and son spanking their mothers I mean that just Blows my mind away right there I think if its between a husband and his wife only then whatever floats their boat more power to them, Ruth, how old are you? Thats why Hollywood had/has such a high divorce rate two stars who were independently wealthy married and then when the marriage went south, the wife knew she could divorce without losing her livelihood. Well, even if it should turn out that punishment is proportional to the evil committed, and must eventually end for all, I am convinced that you will ultimately be satisfied with the consequences your abusers must surely suffer. Do not expect her to be silent through this experience though. Moreover, God created us in his image, and I dont see you can claim that beating the image of God is okay because its supposedly consensual. Those verses are being filtered by you through a patriarchy lens; they do not teach or support male authority over women, nor do they limit all women of all times, cultures, and churches from leading and teaching. I have learned that he LOVES!! I still receive punishment spankings for things, but they are not very often anymore. Since that law came out in 2004, I have yet to hear of a spanking incident as such, and I havent even seen anyone spank their child in public. He has this idea that he loves to spoil me sometimes but will never have a spoiled wife. At times he could be very sweet and charming. Yes, guys, best leave 100PinkApples raging away because it suits your purpose better to have her stay unforgiving and bitter. Youre filtering Scriptures not only through your experiences, but also a previous assumption that God approves and condones patriarchy, and you read that back into the Bible. Can a Domestic Discipline Relationship be loving? It seems like my husbands leadership skills have developed so strongly. Go back to the word (Luke 4:1-13) and see for yourself. There is no such thing as physical discipline of a WIFE, period. Muslims and Hindus follow male headship. It is only going to increase as people go frustrated by the negative effects of domestic ideology on their happiness and increasingly get to the point of questioning everything. You are free to live this lifestyle. But just like a chocolate addict will eat carob in moments of dire necessity. Please be careful if you are easily triggered by topics of abuse. When this day happens, the laws will already have been written but will not be enforced or taken seriously anymore, so with many regards, the state of women will be worse than it used to be because theyll be nothing clear they can do to improve their fate. This is your warning. It got to the point that I would make myself cry almost as soon as he started to spank me and would get 3 swat spankings and a I hope in the future you remember this. I did cry as soon as possible. Are you serious? and gave the man more work into the bargain. The woman you are concerned about is indeed at very high risk. If adults have the right to spank those who disagree with them, well, I shudder to think of all the spank-fests thatd happen on every count; in every church meeting, every work-place. Similarly, just asserting There are no Bible passages that say that husbands have authority over wives does not nullify all the passages I quoted which say the opposite to what you want to believe. Are there other women is situations this dire? In the beginning I would test him all the time to see if he was serious. This new way has made us loving, more loving than ever before. Well, actually, to pray for abused women, even though we do not know who they are, is to accomplish much. Because, Julie Anne, is that not what you feel about any woman who wants to give her husband the authority to lead, let alone any women who would quite like to be disciplined or feel powerless in the bedroom?. As someone that has been burned and sexually abused I can say there is nothing worse then intercourse with a misogynist, men that go on about male headship, female submission to men. Christian Domestic Discipline / Spencer Respect and Submission in domestic discipline Respect and Submission are of particular importance in a marriage because the standard marriage vows for the bride always included the phrase to love, honor and obey her husband. And what did that one do while he was seeking a godly offspring? You take it up with him. There are in fact right wingers and conservative Christians who take the Bible literally yet who also reject the gender complementarian position (which is what you are advocating). Carry on. Oh boy, here we go. 1. And lastly the women whose fathers are not involved in these domestic discipline Lifestyles for your father to applaud your husband for laying his hands on you thats not normal none of this is normal. Thats why I always make sure I add Biblical in front so theres no confusion. You do not need to agree with this practice, but you must be tolerant. When you get to point of saying that none of these can be Christian women and if they are, they jolly well need to repent of their sin, then you are straining at gnats. WebJennas Punishment Spanking (Christian Domestic Discipline Marriage #1) During a disagreement, Jenna storms out of the house without telling her husband where she's going. AND GUESS WHAT?? But that pastor I am speaking about, if she is worth her salt, will speak better words than me. It is based on my real-world experiences doing personalized mentoring programs with more than 20 husbands over the past 4 years. And the thought of a Pentecostal being in to kinky, spanking fetishes is hilarious. Did you know the APA approves gender reassignment surgery as the best way to HELP a male patient who reports his inner self is really female? In a certain sense, your intolerance will only amplify the problem and at some point people will throw the baby with the water even though not everything you say about the need to protect vulnerable people generally speaking is off the mark (in my opinion). It was confusing because it felt no different than when I was at home. I asked you above if you are a man or woman and did not get a reply. I would encourage you to visit the following site, especially their blog section That is called assault and battery and is illegal. Its because sje disrespected me. I did go back and find the entire 700 club episode from that day and InContext it was very understandable. You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. It seems that site is promoting equal rights for women. You people that believe that spanking is abuse you have no comperhesion as to what its like deal with a hellish marriage and the damage on children. Its not just me that talks about your husband having authority, Julie Anne. Does he get a spanking too? Are these threats real? How are you doing now? No, Im sorry, you are acting heartless. Its not physically another person, but it is mentally and emotionally. Its only by bringing the two together under complete subjection to Christ by both parties that the marriage will ever be complete. Anonymous, musingsofaministerswife.com, 11. I love DD. General: Dont like scripture when it disagrees with your prejudices, you guys, do you?
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