For more information, call IMCA at 319-472-2201. You will need to set the toe, and camber on your car every week. The straighter you are in both the Crate and the Super, the faster you are going to be. Saturday, 24 June 2023. You've just got to drive it and hang on. Changing camber with caster adjustments is like shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic, technically you are making a change but we're talking a tenth of a degree or so. YOU!!!!! So the car feels looser. This kit upgrades standard hubs and bearings to service Neon ACRs. Everything behind you, in fact, everything behind the engine, thats just details. General Discussion How To Make Them Go FAST! Whatever that might be. Under these conditions, teams using softer RR springs with Panhard bars high on the left side and low on the right side and with plenty of rear steer will find trouble. We can move the Panhard bar over to the left side of the chassis with the heights at 11 inches left and 9 inches right. Meets SCCA Club rules. Easy Steps to build a Pony or F.W.D. Smog pump, catalytic converter and air conditioning compressor may be removed. Well, you could if you had caster higher than the 10-15 degrees of SAI your car may have. Normally there are lots of used seats available you just have to look around. Now if you head up North and go someplace like Learnerville, that's a track that can get slick! When carving around a cone, does your car resemble a dog lifting its hind leg to a fire hydrant? P5007314 Hub and Bearing Kit (199599 Neon ACR). With the poor weather conditions forecasted for Saturday 4/29/23 Plymouth Dirt Track has decided that it is in their best interested along with ours to cancel the event scheduled for Saturday 4/29/23. Pumping up the rear rubber and hitting the front tires with more negative camber can boost your cars cornering abilities, but dont forget to modify that variable in the drivers seat. One of the Hot shoes from the Thunders (who kicked but on both dirt and asphalt) will be joining us this year. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. But you have to be careful because tracks that looks dry/slick aren't all the same. But Perhaps we are compairing apples to pears here, and that might explain the different chassis setups. Or if you are a three-wheel braking, you go to four-wheel brake. Look for some grit; just aim for places where it's not really shiny. 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The goal with stiffening the rear bar is to transfer weight to the outside as the car enters a corner. The hardened track condition may only occur for one heat or so. Then when you want to change it slightly, just adjust one side or the other a little. For Tech info on the 2.2 2 valve OHV engine GM Chevy Cavalier and Pont. When the computerized scale is displaying cross weight, it should show something like 45-48 percent. You should set the front toe to 0" to 1/16" OUT. The pump runs on 12volts and will pump plenty of fuel. To be able to control the car, we need much stiffer springs and a more balanced setup front to rear. No cool cans. For each type of car, we will set up for the six conditions listed above. LM: We can now. Granted, there are some so-called dirt tracks that are always oiled and maintained to the same grip. When finding a company to install the cage ask if they will be bending the tube or buying a kit form. Note: To learn more about racing in the Pony or FWD Pure Stock divisions, you can join our Mentorship Program by contacting the Spartan Speedway office at (517) 244-1042. And similarly, the Ferrari FF has a whole different drive system with a crazy step-off clutch off the front. - Especially the neon stuff - Or resident Neon driver is FAST now! 4-cylinder Front Wheel Drive normally aspirated engine. Some how I believe instead of having it split to apply most pressure to your front brakes and the rest to the rear. For you lucky hi-speed users, it's not a huge problem. Dash may be removed, but can remain. If you want to leave the dash and shifter that's OK. Also remove all glass, the windshield is optional. Often guys do it with very stiff sway bars, you actually need a very stiff sway bar in the front of a FWD car, but a lot of guys jack up the sway bars in the rear, and that causes there to be enough rear roll stiffness that the rear breaks early. So if youre trying to figure out how to whip your GTI, ST, Si, Type-R or anything else meant to be driven thats got its drive wheels up front, try to digest some of ACPs advice and put it into practice. do not allow extensive engine mods ,,, like your class does. LM: These conditions are the fastest you will encounter. Flywheel, flexplate, clutch assembly and torque converter must be unaltered, OEM for year, make and model of car used. The difference is in the grip factor and mostly deals with the level of moisture present in the first inch or two of the surface material. With a $2500 buy rule. 10. No iron, galvanized pipe or fittings, square tubing, brazing or soldering allowed. More rebound shifts. 6. What this means is you either want a softer swaybar or no swaybar at all in the front. These are exceptions and won't be addressed here. 16. LM: We can now begin to change the spring rates at the RF, RR, and LR. cars. Buy a good air pressure gauge, tire pressure is the biggest adjustment you will be making. You can overdrive it a little bit to compensate. And thats one of the things that left-foot braking and a good brake modulation and good control of weight transfer does.. Just remember to take it to a track if you really want to test your limits. Thats a good way to get the tail to come around. We will take more air out of the tires, but not enough to cause them to roll over. These rebound adjustable performance Struts will improve the handling and performance of your Neon. Those conversations were so enlightening that we decided to keep going. We can see how it is possible to experience a high 1.7 g's all the way down to a very low 0.7 g's in a single day. Driver-side window net required, minimum 16x20 ribbon or mesh style, and must be mounted so latch is at top front of window. In the case of a rear-wheel drive car, you get those two rear tires, those two rear palm-prints, they always get to push you forward, and the front tires only have to turn you side to side, and usually stop you, too, because thats where most of the braking force happens of course. (A) $1500 cash claim or exchange on complete car. Pure Stock, Information Contributed by : Torg Motorsports, ---------------------------------------------------------------------. Now thats fine if youre dealing with a race car or an older car. If you are turning left all the time you should tip the RF tire in at the top. cars stripped of their interiors with a cage. Remember in the end you'll have complete control over this so you're really just choosing a sensible baseline. From spartan speeway web site.POSTED BY. Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 09:54 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------. Most of these cars do not come with a rear swaybar. Caster seems to be the red-headed stepchild of suspension adjustments. Raise the moveable weight up and to the right side as much as possible for a 50-50 percent side-to-side weight distribution. BATTERY/STARTER: One 12-volt battery only. It depends on what ratio you are comparing to. Any time youre flying a car through the world youre flying it on four palms of your hand on the ground. Renegades, Pro 4, Thunder Bombers, Front Wheel Drive, Blue Ridge Outlaw Late Models, Next Generation Kids Series, Pure Stock V8. Bumpers must be welded, chained or cabled to frame and have front and rear tow hook. > When weighing the car where you can read the weight of each wheel,,. Same as lots of cars. The primary goal of the diff in a front-wheel drive application is to apply power efficiently to both wheels, without excessive wheel spin from the less loaded, inside front wheel. Because when you are counter-steered there really is no traction. 6. ENGINE COMPARTMENT: Engine and radiator must be OEM, in OEM location for year, make and model of car used. SFI-approved full fire suit required. Those days of running sideways are over. Maybe 2-4 degrees of negative camber for the RR. We will now soften the LF spring to a 750, the RF spring to a 650, the RR spring to a 150, and move all of the moveable weight to the right side and higher up. A good car will generally show 62-67 percent front weight. Richards: It depends. GAUGES/ELECTRONICS: 12 volt ignition system only. Rear wheels must track straight ahead and be in alignment with front wheels. ROLL CAGE: Six-point roll cage required. A low CG number for a dirt car is around 17-18 inches off the ground. SUSPENSION AND STEERING: All components and mounts must be unaltered, OEM and match year, make and model of car used. In addition, too much pressure can result in making the tire too stiff and unpredictable (snap loose), so make small increases in pressure until you find that sweet spot that works well for your car. 2. Inner fenders may not be removed. In fact, I just spent about 400 miles on the track with the Fiesta ST, GTI, and Type-R, Golf R, WRX STI, Civic Si, and all of those street cars, except for the Type-R, would go to limp mode. Just ask the parts store for a frame mounted external fuel pump for an 89 F-150. Must be OEM steel or aluminum wheels, with standard bead bump and maximum seven inch width. Snug is better. One common mistake is watching the fastest guy on the track and saying, "If I had his setup, I would be that fast too." Because youre asking it to steer and take a lateral load, at the same time, youre asking it to pull you forward and accelerate, or brake, you very quickly, get to the edge of that tires abilities. On a dialup connection, it might take 3 minutes or more before the page finishes loading entirely. ENGINE: 3 or 4 cylinder in-line engines only. If you're in a Crate car, there's not a whole lot that you can do. Front Wheel Drive, dynamics and tuning using ChassisSim 22,379 views Sep 13, 2016 This video explains the dynamics of front wheel drive (FWD) racing cars and how to tune this using. There are four bolts that hold the spindle to the axle. FYI, I run 4.25 deg negative camber in the front and 2.25 negative camber in the rear. Neon Will. I wouldn'twant anything that tail happy on a road course as it does change directions rapidly. But McDowell and Hughes covered the topic so well we decided to move on to other areas that most often seem to trip up dirt drivers. HS: We can now soften the right-side springs, or pull out all of the spring rubbers. A rusted car will take a lot of repair before being able to weld in a roll cage. must remain in the OEM location. Must use one inch O.D. We won't change the setup at this point in time, but the driver will need to think more about throttle control coming off the corners to prevent wheel spin. Because the weight is all in the bowl of the spoon, where your fingers dragging it down, and its dragging the rest of the car with it. What Is Front-Wheel Drive? Near the bottom of the front struts are two large bolts. Eckert: If your car is too free in the corners, what you've got to do is back your corner up onto the straightaway. 2 talking about this. Some are fairly simple tweaks suited to cars that only see a few track days a year. This can vary a little depending on the car and the tires being used, plus the driver preferences. The competition here is so good you really have to be smooth and on top of your game to keep those lap times down consistently. Almost always, that means bringing you information about how to build a better--and safer--race car and set it up for best performance. Gas tanks behind rear axle must be replaced with maximum eight gallon fuel cell and relocated to trunk area. You want to shoot for about 2/3 of the car's total weight to be on the front axle. Mr. Holt has been helping 4 cyl cars go faster since I first met him in the mid 70s. It must be clearly visible and unaltered in any way. This term is widely used when describing a 4-link dirt modified left rear or left front shock. No torque dividing final drive. This catalog also lists the Dodge Factory Racing PCM's for the Neon that have a better Fuel and Spark curve for more HP,,,and have a higher rev limit. Driver must be sealed off from track, engine, transmission and fuel cell/tank. Toe is the angle that the tires have toward each other. No aftermarket racing heads. Or maybe you should just practice your trail-braking. Pictured is a complete PROTHANE performance urethane suspension bushing kit for a Honda Civic (on the left) and their stiffer than stock rubber rear sway bar bushings (on the right). Exactly opposite of what a rear wheel drive car should be. I've been very pleased with camber plates run sideways for castor. 4. The disclaimer here (before I get totally ripped on the GRM forums) is that there are many ways to skin a cat when it comes to car setupfar more than I have space here to go into. Youve heard about torque steer and wrong-wheel drive and might write it off as being for grocery-getters, not real performance cars. I would call these "marathon posts" LOL! So for Example your tires are running at 140F and it's 80F outside. Aluminum high-back racing seat required. The goal is to try to keep the car loaded so it doesn't get free. My understanding was the rear toe-in steered better into the corner much like the Honda Passive rear steering, as the suspension loads up, the inside rear tire toes in. SAFETY EQUIPMENT: Rules apply at all times car is on the race track. Unfortunately for the driver, tires are only able to do so many tasks at once before their limits are exceeded. Because AWD cars fundamentally are FWD cars with RWD added. Front-engine, rear-drive . The camber/toe comments are dead-on though. Roll bar padding required in driver compartment (Fire retardant recommended). Black slick, a condition in which the track still has enough moisture to keep the material packed, but has hardened and is taking rubber: 1.1 to 1.3 g's (becoming difficult entering and turning in the middle of the turns). And he has some advice. Fuel lines through driver compartment must be steel. The RF = 350; RR = 200; LR = 200 (375 pounds swing arm). The .91 ratio transfer gears are needed along with the 2.86 ring and pinion gears. And you do that with better tires.. Disconnect the front and stiffen the crap out of the rear has always been the mantra for front-wheel drive set up, and for good reason: It workskinda. Good tires will make the difference in the way your car handles. Stock gas tanks are not designed to keep the fuel in place during a night of racing. You can also use smaller bolts, but don't go any smaller than 1/2 inch. We can now begin to soften the setup somewhat and change the RF spring to an 800-pound (rated) spring or remove the RF full spring rubber and replace it with a half rubber. Sunfire overhead valve 4 cyl. If you can get to the pit and the car is way too tight, one thing you can do is just take some panhard bar angle out, and that will usually free the car up. CT: How do you set up a car for a track you've never been to before? Basics of driving front wheel drive on dirt and a couple tips to get you up to speed and hopefully out of trouble. And the one thing about these cars today is they need to be driven just about like they are on the blacktop. TRANSMISSION: Must use OEM, unaltered transmission that came in year, make and model of car used. Upgrade base model vehicles to ACR/RT level, and upgrade ACR/RT models to higher levels. 1. Down South even when they dry up and blow off, they still aren't slick because they are so abrasive. This term is widely used when describing a 4-link dirt modified right front shock or asphalt cars front shocks. Same as the Audi TT. The driver can drive straight into the corner, brake harder, and get back into the throttle sooner than at any other time of the day. > Do want more weight % on the front or the rear? But we know that there is a lot more to racing than just having a great car. Glad we here in Michigan helped out a little, How well do the Neons run against Hondas at your track? Most conversations about front-wheel drive suspension engineering revolve around camber and shock adjustments, with little to no mention of caster. Pretty much stock 4 cyl. Mr. Arnold. A more sideways driving style is sometimes helpful for mostly aerodynamic reasons. If youre steering and accelerating at the same time, youre going to break traction.. It has been condensed and clarified.). All flammable material, radio and air bags must be removed. If we had nothing to learn, we may as well go golfing-not. If you have a track driven car and want to run R compounds, I would recommend starting with at least 2.5 degrees of negative camber up front. HS: With the track going to full dry and slick conditions, we need to get more radical in our setup. Hood and trunk lid/hatch must be securely fastened. Mostly because, AWD cars, despite what they tell you about their symmetrical drive layout or whatever else, fundamentally drive like FWD cars. Any more than that 20 percent, and the tire will go over its maximum available grip and lose traction, with the result being the dreaded power-on push that front-wheel drive cars are infamous for. Passing becomes difficult because of the one-groove nature of the track. A FWD oval track race car, like most other oval track or road racing cars, should be as near 50%-50% front-to-rear weight distribution as possible. LF = 350; RF = 325; LR = 200 (350 pounds swing arm); RR = 175 (325 pounds swing arm). CHEAP ). This is a place to have fun and fellowship about front wheel drive racing, Tips-tricks-new builds-questions-ect. It is indeed a "real" race car doing real racing. Lots of set up tips and gearing info, read all 180 posts and read all the links, IT WILL MAKE YOU FASTER! If the track changes banking with more angle on the high side, then passing can be done on the outside more easily than down low if the car is handling well. Note: Emissions exempt in California, Massachusetts and. Sleepy Trip, tech writer from Stock car magazine has his own web site, he is building a NEON to race in Florida, and has posted all the tech articals, http://www.ovaltrackdigest.com/article-directory.htm. Or if you are a three-wheel braking, you go to four-wheel brake. FUEL SYSTEM: Must have complete, unaltered, OEM fuel system for year, make and model of car used. build the 4 door neon, not the 2 door, the 4 door is lighter and stronger!!). The racing line is the route a racing driver follows to take corners in the fastest possible way. ): The V.I.N. Done correctly, this weight transfer has the added benefit of taking weight entirely off the inside rear tire, resulting in the classic three-wheel, peeing dog cornering stance that front-wheel drive cars are so well known for. But as you turn that steering wheel, you have to pull the throttle up in order to accommodate that string, thats pulling the pedal back. Minimum three-inch wide five point safety belt assembly required (Y-type shoulder harness not allowed) must be mounted securely to roll cage, recommended to be no more than one year old.
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